Great story, Mr Flipper. It just goes to show that a 2 year old can be reasoned with. It just takes a little more time, effort, and creativity than a spanking.
Oh bullshit.
Little Drummer Boy
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5thGeneration spanked his awesome pre-teen girls and is proud of it.
by nvrgnbk inmy awesome pre-teen girls are the best kids in the world.
and they were spanked!.
did he do it because he's a fifth-generation jw?.
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5thGeneration spanked his awesome pre-teen girls and is proud of it.
by nvrgnbk inmy awesome pre-teen girls are the best kids in the world.
and they were spanked!.
did he do it because he's a fifth-generation jw?.
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I kinda get upset that people seem to not be able to make the mental leap needed to understand the difference between a spanking and a beating. And then to also insult the intelligence and character of posters who spank. Even if though they don't beat or hit (punch, slap on face, etc.) their children. Honestly, it is a world of difference. A (very occasional and only when other forms of discipline aren't working) swat on the butt is NOT a beating. Two completely different things. I was never "beaten". My much older brothers were however. One was beaten with a boat oar once and reportedly was screwed up for several weeks because of it. That is most certainly wrong. I was only ever spanked (and by that I mean open hand on my bare butt for a few swats). I wish I had been spanked more because that is what got through to me as a child, and it would have kept me out of some troubles that I wish I hadn't been in.
To sum up, "spank" does not always or even most of the time equal "beat", or hit, or slap on face, or use an instrument (wire, branch, belt, etc.) and certainly doesn't equal abuse.
And no, I don't spank my kid at the moment. Not because I am against it, but because I don't need to for the most part anymore. He currently responds to other forms of discipline. He has not always though. The last time I gave him a few swats on the butt with my hand was because he set the lawn on fire and it would have burnd down the house...I felt at the time (and still do) that it was important to impress upon him that this was a....slightly more serious transgression. Especially since I had just told him 5 minutes before hand not to do the thing he did because...wait for it....it would set the lawn on fire. He did it anyway. I don't feel that a "time out" would have had the same effect.
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by purplesofa inwhen i first came to this board, i was mesmerized at the knowledge.
people had ideas and thoughts and voiced them and did it quite well.. i was a witness, i hardly read more than a paragraph at a time.....stopped, answered a planned out question in the paragraph, highlighted and went on.. formulating my own thoughts was one thing, but getting them typed out was another.. i saw all sorts of opionions thrown out there, debates, bantering back and forth........i was impressed to say the least and yes, intimidated.. them there posters had some balls and i wanted some too.. i was careful not to post things too controversial as to not make waves........i got my feelings hurt alot, said i was never going to post again, went stomping off.
licked my wounds did some soul searching and came back.
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I agree 100% with you purps. And I hope you haven't been hurt by something someone said (I don't now the back story or anything on this). You're one of my favorites here and it would be a real shame for a newbie to treat you badly. Sometimes things get out of hand. I have many times posted and regretted it. Or not posted and regretted that too. I'm still trying to figure out how to integrate back into normalcy post-wt...and I'm not always successful. Things get so intense here sometimes. Hard to know what to do many times.
For instance, during one blow up, things got out of hand and then it went from being aired out in the open where people have more of a tendancy to keep things in check, to me receiving an unfortunate (for me) pm. That's the only time I've been on the receiving end of a nasty pm and it came out of the blue and really threw me for a loop. From a newbie too. I swore to myself I wouldn't come back. After all the emotional turmoil of being relatively new out of the cult, I just don't need that kind of crap.
I have wandered back here though, but not to the degree I was involved before. Funny thing is, is that the poster that did it has 99.9999% of the people on this board completely fooled as to their character. Everyone goes on and on and on about how "sweet" this person is. Blech. I've only seen one other poster who has this particular person pegged. Interestingly enough, that person also was on the receivng end of nasty pm's from this "sweet" newbie poster and for no good reason. I sometimes wish we didn't have a pm system here (many boards don't) because it just hides too much stuff and causes hurt feelings. I suppose though that it is nice for sharing email addresses and so forth so that people can get in contact outside of jwd.
Oh well...
I probably ran this topic right off the rails and into somewhere it didn't need to go, too. Like I said, kinda hard to always make the right judgements when you come out of a cult that always told you what to do and you have to start thinking for yourself. I feel grossly inadequate in the judgement making department sometimes...
ps, as commented on above, your glasses are hot.
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The spots on my head where the horns are growing in are sore....
Thanks for the thread nvr.
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Is it Growth or Boredom?
by AK - Jeff inlately i have been perusing the forum, and finding that i have little interest in most topics.
jw doctrine is old hat, my basic bitterness over that whole thing is fading, the fluff is of little interest to me.
i am dismayed to see that the ugly heads of prophets have risen from the ranks to be frequently on the first page of active topics, and i hope that others are not falling for other 'false prophets' after having discovered jw's to be such.
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My observation is that personal need for jwd and emotional invetment and interest is directly proportional to past jw hurt/trauma/non-ability to heal (adjusted for other factors such as desire to help others with their jw experience).
There are people here who have been ex-jw for decades. But the hurt/fill in blank runs so deep that they need the board.
I'm on the other end of the spectrum. I recovered pretty quickly because I wasn't born in and don't have family in and my jw experience certainly wasn't as traumatic as that of other people. I mean, yah I was part of a mind control cult and that's bad, but I wasn't molested or horribly treated or anything like a lot of dubs are. I prettty much have a normal life anymore. Even the whole question of "should I have a religious belief" resolved itself pretty quickly for me, so I am not spending any mental enrgy pondering that aspect of life
For me this board has partially become like a general catch all for finding out about world events/news.
I care about many people here, but I really don't have much insight to offer, so meh, I just kinda lurk anymore.
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Pumpkins in the Kingdom Hall yard....now Christmas lights...you can too
by oompa ini have been a pretty serious practical joker my whole life....some say i am stuck in adolescence (i hope she is 17).
but anyway, right before halloween i took a couple of pumpkins too close to the road at a farmers place and put them in the kingdom hall front yard....i know i should have paid for them but no one was there.
it was sunday night, and was hoping maybe no one would notice till thursday meeting, but they were gone on wednesday.
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And if you do decorate a dubs house it is a riot!!
Prolly be good to make sure they aren't a marginal dub like I was.
I kinda woulda been pissed and put a load of bird shot in yer ass if I had caught you in the act of touching my house - even back when I was a dub. Definetly would now though. Heh.
But that's just me an I never did tow the line all that well.
Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Oh, and Merry Xmas.
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Quotable Quotes; Please Add Yours ...
by compound complex inthe endeavor to compel all men to think alike on all subjects,.
culminated in the great apostasy and the development of the .
great papal system; and thereby the 'gospel,' the 'one faith,'.
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"Karo syrup on cold pancakes is worse than accidently seeing your brother buck-ass naked." - Me (it's a long story)
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When she says small, she means like 20'. We have a few "humps" in a paved road not far away that give a little negative G's if you take them at about 60mph (plus the thrill of hoping that whoever is coming from the other way- that you can't see- will actually be on their side of the road and not smack you head on).
I really do wonder how wimpy we are about stuff like that in IN. My ears pop just driving down the hill to go downtown. It's probably a max 300' elevation change.
(I iz wimpy)
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Yet ANOTHER thread on ...Atheist/Theists... :-O :-O
by Kudra ini know that the atheists are pissed that the theists are always trying to convert them/condemn them to hell and the theists are tired of the atheists always trying to knock down their beliefs.... .
where the heck are you hanging out that theist/atheists are always haranguing you and trying to convert/deconvert you???
am i just missing the roving hoards of these two groups that are searching for the unsuspecting pedestrian or coffeeshop patron and then whammo -they try to convert them???
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Where the heck are you hanging out that theist/atheists are ALWAYS haranguing you and trying to convert/deconvert you???
It is rare for me to go more than a day and not have christianity pushed at me in some form at work. And when I say pushed at me I mean exactly that. I don't mean people walking around and declaring their faith without a word by wearing a cross or something. That's perfectly acceptible. What I do mean is constant comments, attitudes, etc. And I work at a college. Such things are supposed to not be happening (per employee handbook and policy), but as long as the offender is christian, anything goes. The same does not hold true of people of other faiths or no faith. Many students that I have met and some of my co-workers are either of other faiths or lean towards atheism. However, I have always discovered this in some quiet fashion where they were feeling me out to see if it was safe to tell me. They do not speak about it openly, as a rule. I do not dare express my atheist beliefs to my co-workers in any significant way. If my feelings were to become common knowledge, it would lower the opinion of me of key people at work and hurt my chances of retention/promotion.
My boss sat across from me at lunch the other day with most of my co-workers present and proclaimed that so and so is "a good Christian woman". In the context of the conversation, it was obvious that he was stating 2 things: 1) by virtue of this woman's strong christian faith alone and outside of any real actions, she is to be thought of highly and trusted, etc. and 2) anyone who is not christian is, by default, not capable of being thought of highly, trusted, etc. no matter how they actually conduct themselves. My distinct impression was that he was sending me a message. It is entirely possible that he has learned something of my feelings towards religion. Christian apologists and apologists in general will say I'm being over-sensitive. Keep in mind that I was there to witness the events. "You had to be there" certainly applies in this case as written words cannot convey the tone and subtle meanings my boss intended.
That is just one of countless examples. These kinds of things are why I tend to bristle when faith is pushed at me. I just want to be left alone.
As far as theist vs. atheist discussions here on this discussion board, that is a good thing and expected. Here we have a choice to read the threads or not. In the outside, real world, we cannot just "click" our way out of situations.
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What died for me when my dad died was possibilities.
Possibilities for him to say "I love you." He never did, not once in my life, until stroke took his mind and he would just parrot it back because he didn't know any different.
Possibilities for him to say he was proud of me. He never was.
Possibilities to have any sort of father/son relationship. We never did. I was an "accident" and my existence basicaly ruined my parents life once they thought they were done having children - and I felt that sentiment every day of my life while growing up.
I didn't grieve so much for his death - he had been very ill for a very long time - but rather for the things that could never be.
Sorry for being a downer...that's the truth of it though.